tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post6101092554085225310..comments2023-12-21T14:15:52.545+00:00Comments on Diva Devotee: [Yikes!] Patti LaBelle Refers To New Generation Of Divas As "Little Heifers"rosbi ullotovhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17983679935573744584noreply@blogger.comBlogger120125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-13945624590378368392014-01-26T13:47:06.241+00:002014-01-26T13:47:06.241+00:00Oh my gosh, I'm gonna FLIP LOL.
Neither can be...Oh my gosh, I'm gonna FLIP LOL.<br />Neither can belt an A6. Now, some part of the world have different notations, so an A6 to you could be an A5 to me, and if that's the case then BOTH can belt that note LIVE. If you're not corresponding your A6 to an A5, then NEITHER can belt that high. So far, Demi and Ariana can't belt into the sixth octave, and quite frankly, not many singers can. Belting an A6 is INCREDIBLY difficult and takes probably as much technicality and skill anyone can muster. Due to that, belting in the sixth octave DOESN'T make you a soprano. If you go by that logic then Mariah Carey isn't a soprano, and nor is Tiffany Evans, or Lea Michelle when all three have obvious soprano voices.<br /><br />I also don't know what live performances you've been watching, but Demi's belts are a lot more resonant and powerful than Ariana's. Her mix has a nicer balance which gives her a rounder and chestier belt than her counterpart. Ariana, I will give her grace. Her upper belts have gotten better and now her F#5 and higher are pretty supported, but most under that is too heady and breathy. <br /><br />People scream when they try and belt, i.e. Miley Cyrus, but it's not the same. THAT'S screaming. Belting is what you said -- pushing from the diaphragm to get a nice, round and resonant sound. Screaming is not nice, pure and round...it's screechy, even when "controlled." (Not too sure if that's possible). <br /><br />Demi has been culprit of scream-singing when she was younger because of her lack of training and experience -- but she;s gotten better. She BELTS and is probably one of the strongest belters of the next generation.<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wYTXAKPyj0<br /><br />How does using excessive HV make you a soprano? Xtina is suspect. That woman used to rape the ishhh out of her head voice and falsetto and she's a mezzo soprano by far. Using HV / Falsetto is generally an artistic choice. If you've listened to Demi, you would know her music is punk rocky; generally, HV isn't used in rock. Her Unbroken album was more R&B and head voice was used there, and that's where My Love is Like a Star's C#6 came in.<br /><br />Not too mention she has hit an E6 and Eb6 in head voice before. <br /><br />I don't know how to explain this anymore lol.<br />Please<br />@Sasuke Uchiha <br />@Black Robin <br />@Leiththedigblackbicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-23330005281915592482014-01-26T07:02:43.039+00:002014-01-26T07:02:43.039+00:00Belting into a higher octave isn't hard becaus...Belting into a higher octave isn't hard because you're using enough air to support that note like how you're supporting it. Ariana can belt into an A6, which Demi can't do which furthers my point of her not being a Soprano, because if she was, she would probably be able to belt into her 6th octave. And I know Ariana's range is a lot more flexible than Demi's and she's hard more training, but I've seen a lot of live performances of Demi's, and her belted notes in the fifth octave don't seem as supported as Ariana's, which again furthers my point of her not being a soprano. Her belted notes aren't as supported as Ariana's, and even though Demi belts in that register a lot, doesn't mean that she's a soprano. A lot of artists belt in their upper register because when you're using that much air, it's not hard to produce a note loudly. There's a fine difference between belting a note, and then being able to sing a note. To sing a note, you need to be able to support it in multiple dynamics, and to belt a note you just support it with a lot of air and your diaphragm, making it loud and controlled sounding, but that's why people belt high notes all the time because it's basically like controlled screaming. And high notes in head voice are easy, as you change from chest voice to head voice at any note above a C4. Head voice high notes are nothing special. If Demi's higher notes weren't belted all the time or used in head voice, I would be convinced but like I said earlier, belting or phrasing in your higher register doesn't make you a Soprano.Autophagianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-61218578352956899682014-01-25T22:39:05.689+00:002014-01-25T22:39:05.689+00:00That's a tough one! Demi outshines her generat...That's a tough one! Demi outshines her generation's Disney divas by a landslide. I do like Ariana Grande too, but I feel she's not quite there yet. Ariana is not very original to me her voice mimics Mariah and she's really not been around long enough. Demi wins on originality, but vocally, I have to say Ariana is better. She's chosen a good vocal model to follow but she literally seems to shadow Mariah, to where it's kind of frightening. Give Ariana time to grow, and her voice will begin to form it's own character. As for Demi, she's in that tough time of transition from teen oriented music to more adult themes, although she handles it with 100x the grace that Miley does, that woman is on a path for a Britney breakdown. So, I'd say Ariana is the better singer, but she has a long way to go. And if she handles herself properly, she could become the next generation's Mariah Carey, but with her own character that she's yet to realize. But, they're both good, overall.musicjunkienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-14390425173669620702014-01-25T08:58:48.376+00:002014-01-25T08:58:48.376+00:00Majestic is usually described as big and impressiv...Majestic is usually described as big and impressive, grant. Refined and tasteful are the opposite. Subtle and small and free of pomp and circumstance.Opie Ever2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-35032622866054502382014-01-25T08:15:19.886+00:002014-01-25T08:15:19.886+00:00Yes, absolutely, those are all Divas. Though I thi...Yes, absolutely, those are all Divas. Though I think Joan Sutherland was only a Diva on stage due to her vocal ability, because out of the stage she was a thick country girl as unrefined as it gets. It was Franco Zeffirelli who transformed her into a goddess during the production of "Lucia di Lammermoor", but her gay husband Richard Bonynge saw her as his own personal avatar/Barbie doll and often made her wear the most drag queenish outfits, just dreadful.Primo Uomo Assolutonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-81797035271866113122014-01-25T08:12:54.426+00:002014-01-25T08:12:54.426+00:00Adam Lambert is campy, not Diva.Adam Lambert is campy, not Diva.Primo Uomo Assolutonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-82371086716996249372014-01-25T08:10:34.678+00:002014-01-25T08:10:34.678+00:00Exactly. Refined and Tasteful convey Majesty, no n...Exactly. Refined and Tasteful convey Majesty, no need for extravagance.Primo Uomo Assolutonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-66919926779223146282014-01-25T06:51:59.876+00:002014-01-25T06:51:59.876+00:00You cannot seriously be talking about thin, colorl...You cannot seriously be talking about thin, colorless belting and then turn around and praise Regine Velasquez. <br /><br /><br />Agility is not just shaking the larynx fast, but actually moving swiftly in the CORRECT NOTES. That's what distinguishes someone (in the classical world) like Diana Damrau from a Joan Sutherland or Lucia Popp or Beverly Sills.Primo Uomo Assolutonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-34241218403636795682014-01-25T06:50:16.293+00:002014-01-25T06:50:16.293+00:00here's an example Leith. Two versions of "...here's an example Leith. Two versions of "close to you" followed by how Streisand sang it..<br /><br />The most famous one by The Carpenters of course<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6inwzOooXRU<br /><br />By the most famous Burt Bacharach covers singer Dionne Warwick<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNZJMYYaVE0<br /><br /><br />And by Streisand<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52jkbJrTwBwOpie Ever2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-4706390490723070992014-01-25T06:39:13.062+00:002014-01-25T06:39:13.062+00:00I define "class" differently...refined a...I define "class" differently...refined and tasteful.Opie Ever2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-40382742898543746042014-01-25T04:41:09.848+00:002014-01-25T04:41:09.848+00:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aB0COpSDeU
THIS ...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aB0COpSDeU<br /><br /><br />THIS is a real vocalist here and leagues above Regine. The difference is like the difference between heaven and earth. Yes, Jonalyn has a weak lower register but I still prefer Jonalyn. :DNatsu Liannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-31603268003356595722014-01-25T02:29:22.510+00:002014-01-25T02:29:22.510+00:00It's not the fact that she belts in the fifth ...It's not the fact that she belts in the fifth octave, it's the fact that she constantly PHRASES in the fifth octave. That Get Back video I posted is an awesome example. She phrased belted F5s continuously. Not too mention she hit a G5 pretty easily with head voice in that performance as well. The fact that she belts instead of using HV/False is mostly artistic -- listen to My Love is Like a Star. She phrases in the fifth and even hits the sixth octave with head voice and vocal runs & melisma.<br /><br />As for lows, yeah they're better than the usual female. And when comparing them to Ariana, they're miles better. She attempts them, but you can't deny that they're pretty weak relative to the rest of her voice. She constantly uses her lower third octaves notes though in most of her songs, and regardless if they're used, they're merely hits and usually not that resonant unfortunately (the C#3 in Neon Lights is an exception).<br /><br />Her voice is bright enough and dark enough for a soprano. Her tessitura also SCREAMS soprano (probably from A4 - E5 is where she's most comfortable).<br /><br />I don't know too much about voice types, so I'm not gonna go in anymore detail. What I do know is that she's a soprano. If she was a mezzo, she would be a pretty high one (similar to a Beyonce) and that couldn't possibly be the case.thedigblackbicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-55695926688104183172014-01-25T02:28:58.291+00:002014-01-25T02:28:58.291+00:00Yah, that was a shaky ass performance. But Regine ...Yah, that was a shaky ass performance. But Regine definitely has one of the best voices, MUCH better than Beyonce, that's for damn certain. There's absolutely NO competition when you're measuring their voices. Her renditions of I Don't Wanna Miss a Thing/What Kind of Fool I Am are top tier. She could've delivered things in a more technically sound way but the voice itself was always virtuous enough to sail her through the songs and do them well with PHENOMENAL climaxes. Jonalyn's upper notes technically are accessed better in terms of placement & control, but her level of technicality isn't enough (for me) to put her over Regine. But you should listen to those 2 performances. She really has an extraordinary voice.Sasuke Uchihanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-7291670055434117512014-01-25T01:57:56.607+00:002014-01-25T01:57:56.607+00:00I won't really comment much on Regine, I perso...I won't really comment much on Regine, I personally find her terrible with a few good moments. I will however say that Jonalyn is leagues above Regine, her top notes are far more open, and her vocals are far more original. But, Jonalyn does not transition easily from each register, any attempts to go into the lower chest voice = choked air, and her whistle is very shaky. She has a lot of things over Regine though, as I mentioned earlier, her top notes are far more open, and she utilizes a connected head voice. <br /><br />If you're wondering why I don't think Regine's a good singer, here's one of my many possible answers : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2Pjnl_XJ0gSerennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-1732703831552376942014-01-25T00:50:43.223+00:002014-01-25T00:50:43.223+00:00Eh. I still think Demi is more of a Mezzo-Soprano....Eh. I still think Demi is more of a Mezzo-Soprano. Her lower register isn't weak, it's just not practiced as much. The notes produced are much more supported than Ariana's. Ariana's are only use with better technique so she can reach them but it's not within a range that's comfortable for her. Demi's are more comfortable, but she hasn't had the training Ariana has had, so her notes just sound like they're bad when really she just needs some training and her notes would be much more supported than Ariana's. And the fifth octave for Demi seems to only be accessible via belting. Just because you can belt a note in the fifth octave doesn't make you a Soprano. Unless she can hit notes higher or hit the notes she belts with out having to belt I won't be unconvinced.Autophagianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-79493079629162950122014-01-25T00:00:47.242+00:002014-01-25T00:00:47.242+00:00I know that a few high does not define a singer bu...I know that a few high does not define a singer but Jonalyn's voice is AMAZING! Control, easy transition from each module of the voice, a bright, powerful and resonant vocal quality. Yeah, I can go on forever. However, I do agree, artistically, Jonalyn is like Regine; A vocal beast but also a very karaoke-type singer. Although I have a harder time listening to Regine compared to Jonalyn who infuses her own material into the songs she covers.Natsu Liannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-1437908496555184582014-01-24T23:31:18.372+00:002014-01-24T23:31:18.372+00:00Indeed. I think it's brilliant. You already st...Indeed. I think it's brilliant. You already start off with a Fan Base and it expands from there. Idol truly does give you all that you need. They all work hard. Who works harder? Tough to say. But Kelly, Carrie and Jennifer have really done their thing, especially Kelly and Jennifer. Jennifer played the HELL out of that role in Dream Girls. She certainly deserved that Ocsar! Despite not winning Idol, that didn't stop her in the slightest. That's a testament to how hard a worker Hudson is. And they couldn't have picked a better singer for the Role of Effy in Dream Girls. She most certainly had a voice beyond compare. <br /><br /><br />And I'm so proud of Kelly. Kelly was EXTREMELY successful in 2013, I mean HONESTLY. All of the gigs she got, how well she did them. Winning another Grammy. Kelly was almost everywhere in 2013. SHe most certainly is a hard worker. And her Christmas album went 2+ times platinum. Kelly is the primary reason Idol is still relevant. Jennifer's success is also added into the flame as well as Carrie's. These 3 ladies are going to be around for a while. 2 of them I know for certain.Sasuke Uchihanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-17664533275058420462014-01-24T22:17:53.009+00:002014-01-24T22:17:53.009+00:00According to Fantasia, American idol really can gi...According to Fantasia, American idol really can give you a phenomenal music career as it gives you literally everything you need to be successful. Your level of success after the show is mainly a representation of your hard work and dedication. So the big stars that came out (Kelly, Carrie, Fantasia, J Hud, etc) really did werq for it and im betting kelly out of all of them has been working the hardest. She's basically been working nonstop for a decade and its really showing in her success.Brianhttp://flylikeabrian.tumblr.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-50505491015289915402014-01-24T21:22:21.480+00:002014-01-24T21:22:21.480+00:00kelly has the voice, but it just doesn't feel ...kelly has the voice, but it just doesn't feel right calling kelly a diva. i think it might be because of the connotation of the word. it feels very "sassy" and "fabulous," and those words really don't describe kelly very well. i think a good example of a contemporary diva is beyonce. excellent voice and is known for being fabulous as hell.charlienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-11217721152581202842014-01-24T21:18:10.879+00:002014-01-24T21:18:10.879+00:00Kelly validated Idol. She became a global success,...Kelly validated Idol. She became a global success, unlike WIll Young. She truly started the practicality of it.Sasuke Uchihanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-24837022709637143372014-01-24T21:15:17.772+00:002014-01-24T21:15:17.772+00:00Ohhh okay I see you haha! I don't necessarily ...Ohhh okay I see you haha! I don't necessarily know if the general def really captures elegant, although Ms Clarkson can be :)Sasuke Uchihanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-52511881817005025282014-01-24T21:08:09.242+00:002014-01-24T21:08:09.242+00:00I guess. But the industry is just into these terri...I guess. But the industry is just into these terrible singers lol If I'm going to be honest, these talent shows are a little lame. However, the only reason I watch them is because I know there are bound to be some great singers. If it wasn't for that I'd trash them lolSasuke Uchihanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-15790986363396990542014-01-24T21:02:51.708+00:002014-01-24T21:02:51.708+00:00Fair enough, I guess lolFair enough, I guess lolSasuke Uchihanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-57557544885170540192014-01-24T20:57:51.744+00:002014-01-24T20:57:51.744+00:00....this didn't really show anything impressiv.......this didn't really show anything impressive, not even remotely lol I wouldn't say her agility is competent especially considering how light her voice naturally is. Her agility is limited. Christina's agility>hers. As for the timbre? Ehhh, some of it was unnatural. I did love the sound, though. The F#5? What was technically sound about that F#5? Her ease=thin and almost colourless. Yah, such superb placement. I know the point you're trying to make, I just think it's silly because Brittany is far from a technically sound singer. To shade Christina with someone who isn't even remotely good, it's ironic, you know?Sasuke Uchihanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4341723937148634092.post-73844158662468494922014-01-24T20:41:38.896+00:002014-01-24T20:41:38.896+00:00I said it before. If by 25 one hasn't learned ...I said it before. If by 25 one hasn't learned how to sing in a healthy way, the voice ages really fast. But then you have people like Lara Fabian, Taylor Dayne, Patti Labelle, Mina and Monica Narano...whose vocal ability has only grown.Primo Uomo Assolutonoreply@blogger.com