Wednesday, 8 January 2014

Is Lady Gaga Heading For A Breakdown in 2014?



It's time to play armchair, unqualified, pop psychologist. Today we welcome to the clinic our first- and most likely last- patient: the oft-outlandish Lady Gaga. A Diva who has sadly been exhibiting some bizarre behavior of late. Let's look at what's been causing the concern in more detail, below.

First up we have an original piece of art from the Diva [Exhibit A] of some kind of demon dog. Not so odd in itself, but slightly more concerning when looked at in the context of the rest of the "evidence" below. In conjunction with this extra info, it's hard not to make inferences about Gaga's mind at present, especially when she's painted something so dark and menacing. She captioned the picture with this : "Here’s my little baby demon pet today. It felt so good to share my work with you, I feel safe on this site to be myself. It’s like an underworld. I may be a musician to the world, but with little monsters I can be anything."

Gaga original art
Exhibit A

A sweet sentiment, but one that was challenged by a fan [Exhibit B] who offered some unsolicited critique of the Diva's latest musical campaign and the fate of the delayed video for Do What U Want:

[Exhibit B]


Clearly rattled by this, Gaga took the unusual- and out of character- step of replying to the fan in a slightly admonishing way [Exhibit C].  I'd hardly deem what was said by the "Little Monster" as anything offensive, but it seems like there was more to Gaga's reply than just the correcting some untruths. It reads as if LittleMonsters.com has become the last Bastille of the singer's battered ego, a safe refuge from the criticisms of the real world, and she wants to keep that way.

The fact she chose to reply to the fan directly is problematic itself; effectively making a pariah out of this fan. It's not something I've seen Gaga do before, and in a more rational mind I'd imagine she'd have considered how her actions would make this individual a target for the more rapid fans. She is, after all, someone who has her own anti-bullying  foundation (The Born This Way Foundation), so should be aware of how the dynamics between a leader and its pack functions. One could argue that the fan "asked for it" by criticising first, but Gaga has put herself in a position of power over these fans (calling herself their "mother") and thus has a responsibility to handle her dealings with them maturely and thoughtfully. Besides, her public statement on the issue of the video, released a few days later, made the whole exchange redundant [ See bottom of post]. It did happen to send out a clear message to fans though: it's not okay to criticise Mother Monster. And I think as it echoed the thoughts attached to the painting, it was the real motive behind the response.

Exhibit C

Gaga also gave us a cryptic and odd insight into her surroundings; claiming there to be "evil" around her and that the "fame monster" was trying to take her. I don't know about anyone else, but the language used sent alarm bells ringing in my head about the Diva's state of mind. Was she just being floral with her language, or was there paranoia in her words? Who knows, but they did allow us to sadly gleam a little of the isolation she is feeling; no longer the golden child at the record label, and being let down by "people" around her. It's perhaps no wonder she's turned to her fans, the constant font of adulation, for comfort when those she has surrounded herself with are revealing their true colours. It's not a situation I'd imagine is conducive to a healthy mind, particularly when suffering with problems in your work life.

Exhibit D

Exhibit E

But Gaga is the ultimate stunt Queen who has famously studied the workings of fame. So could this all be part of her plan to keep her name in people's mouth while she readies the next big push for Artpop? This is definitely my preferred explanation. I'd rather her trollin' me than the alternative that she is on her way to a breakdown. Or- most likely-  I could be reading way too much into all of this and everything is hunky-dory ! But honestly, I think Gaga is in a perfect storm type situation for some kind of mental instability: paranoia about "friends", no support from the label and a sagging career are all bound to take their toll. I just hope she turns to professional help- and not the fans- to manage the stresses that come with the job. Either that or take some time off to just be Stefani Germanottaie, and learn to stop living for the Applause.




It is late because, just like with the Applause video unfortunately, I was given a week to plan and execute it. It is very devastating for someone like me, I devote every moment of my life to creating fantasies for you. All my my most successful videos were planned over a period of time when I was rested and my creativity was honored. Those who have betrayed me gravely mismanaged my time and health and left me on my own to damage control any problems that ensued as a result. Millions of dollars are not enough for some people. They want billions. Then they need trillions. I was not enough for some people. They wanted more. I am very grateful to the photographers and designers who have always stood by me to make sure my fans are never aware of the things that happen behind the scenes, but unfortunately after my surgery I was too sick, too tired, and too sad to control the damage on my own. My label was not aware that this was going on. The next few months of ARTPOP will truly be its beginning. Because those who did not care about ARTPOP’s success are now gone, and the dreams I have been planning can now come to fruition. Please forgive me that I did not foresee this coming, I never thought after all the years of hard work that those I called friends and partners would ever care so little at a time I needed them the most. Give me a chance to show you the meaning of seeing art all around you. Open your hearts to me again that I may show you the joy of us coming together through our talents, that we are stronger as a unit than when we are alone. Let me be for you the Goddess that I know I truly am, let me show you the visions that have been in my mind for two years. I love you. Forgive me monsters. Forgive me ARTPOP. You are my whole world.
Source:LittleMonsters
[Images sourced from Lipstick Alley]

Thoughts?

226 comments:

  1. I can't say its definitive, but it is what it is... I wish her the best, but if she does have a mental breakdown, who'd be surprised? I know, as a fan, I wouldn't.

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  2. This article about "sagging careers" or "flops" written by Billboard basically describes how I feel http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop-shop/5862328/a-pop-shop-new-years-resolution-its-time-to-stop-the-flop-talk?utm_source=twitter

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  3. I truly think Gaga is doing the right thing. Call me crazy but I think that by replying and posting these messages, parts of the badness AND good are released. Maybe there really is something really insecure and evilness about her life. I don't want to get too much into religion or any of that sort but you have to know, demons and Satan play a part in everyone's life... Gaga was a christian and the Music Industry is infamous for making coinz out of you and once they have drained you, they go onto the next big thing and isolate you away from them. I don't want to think that's what's happening but I do know Gaga is doing the right thing by replying to these comments. Secondly, yes, Gaga is a big supporter of anti-bullying but she's human as well and everyone makes mistakes. Gaga is entering that phase of her life when people who she deemed loved her are now showing their true colors. Gaga would be innocent in a way she had previously thought they loved her and would stand by her side no matter what. Even if Gaga is entering psychological "matters" I think it would be safe to say that the environment around her is just very unhealthy.

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  4. Since I first heard of her, I knew she had a problem up there. At the very begining I attached her quirks to a way to get attention and sales, but when I found out that she does (and wears) that kind of things because she really wants to and started to know more things about her it was clear to me that she has a HPD (Histrionic Personality Disorder). She covers EVERY SINGLE symptom.


    1-Acting and dressing eccentrically: No need to explain it.
    2-Believing that your personal relationships are more intimate than they really are: I underestand that you can have a close friend that betrays you, but when you say yourself that a lot of close friends have betrayed you, the only thing I can came up with is that you overstimated the closeness of said frienship
    3-Blaming others for your failures: Has Gaga EVER taken the blame of anything that's gone wrong about her? It always seems to be someone else's fault
    4-Constant need to be the center of attention: Pretty much like nº1, there's no need to explain it.
    5-Low tolerance to critics and constant need of other people's approval: This is the one I find more interesting about her because I think every other problems she has was snowballed from here. She was bullied when she was younger and that obviously lowered her self-steem. Even though she seems to have overcome it, being bullied always leaves a dreg inside, which is usually the feeling of not being good enough. When that dreg is not "cleaned", it keeps on growing and becoming more a more noticeable until it gets you to Gaga's point: she's unable to take a critic and takes refuge in her website, which is full of her Little Monsters ready to worship her and satisfy her lack of self-esteem and her need of approval. They make her feel so good that she even dares to call herself a Goddess!


    The person who wrote the Exibit B said a lot of truths that Gaga couldn't handle. Clapping on somebody's shoulder (not sure if this idiom exists in english, but I guess you can get the meaning) when he/she does something wrong is way more harmful than saying "I'm sorry, but I think you did wrong. Maybe you could do this to improve". As the writer said, artists NEED critics in order to grow and improve, and they need to be able to handle them. I guess she used to receive lots of critics from her bullies when she was younger and she learned to ignore them. This is good up to a point because you have to learn to ignore critics whose only objective is to hurt you, but then you need to learn to accept critics that try to make improve as an artist (and as a person)

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  5. I think Gaga's response to him was ludicrous. It shouldn't have never been done. She's always pushing for self expression but someone can't express their opinion which wasn't the least bit harmful, on her forum threads? I'm just a little perplexed...


    And not to mention, her reasoning within her response was just as flawed... I love Gaga but I think Mother Monster needs mental mending....

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  6. Eh, she could, but I like for my celebs to keep their personal life separate from their commercial life so if she does go get psychiatric, help, I want it to be discrete and not over the news. I generally don't care for artists apart from their personal life and their message at hand... I don't care for their struggle in their upbringing, just their output. I don't mean to sound mean but that's how I've always been. I wish them the best, but there should always be a fine line with what fans get to see and know and fans don't. That's one reason I love Beyonce.... Her personal life is sooooo separate from her commercial life to the point she just comes off as an automaton that was built for the stage.... I wish Gaga could do the same, even if it means alienating some of her fans, at least until she gets some help...LOL...


    Sorry if I come off as blunt, but....shit.... Everyone has their own struggle but the only one that I deeply care for is my own. I wish everyone the best, and considering that is all I can do for a celeb, I don't go an extra distance with my condolences. I'll leave it at that, and wait to see them in the news for better or worse.

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  7. "There is nobody that worships and fights for you more than I"


    God I hope she isn't serious because that it was one the most pretentious things I've ever read.

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  8. Sorry but I think you are wrong.
    First off, such personality disorders display themselves throughout someone's life, not appearing well into adulthood. But also...#2 is I would think is referring to the fact that several people of her team that build her name have "left the building" the last year.
    There's also no indication she considered those relationships to be closer than they were. It's perfectly normal to view team members leaving while you still need them as being let down. There's nothing unrealistic about that emotional response to those people leaving.


    #4 is really not something one can judge by a popstars public behavior. It is part of their professional PR to try and be in the center of attention all the time. In Gaga's case, she did not seem to have excessively tried to do so outside of her job related PR campaigns.


    #5 Again not something she displayed previously or before she was famous as sufferers of such personality disorders will.


    I think all of the above is no "break down" as such but is simply a case of her having started to buy into the hype and excessive adoration of her fans. It's called hubris and very common in people who get such adoration heaped upon them.
    I think all of this behavior is simply that...the hubris of a "star" who started to believe her own hype.


    ps I still am not buying into her having been bullied and most certainly not to the point where it would have left significant damage such as you are suggesting.

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  9. Sorry Natsu but nope there is no evidence of any kind for "satan" or biblical imaginations to be anything but imaginations. (the most "evil" character in that book being the god character anyway)

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  10. Really???You must have missed those pre Art pop dropping press releases. ;-)

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  11. I have missed them apparently and I don't want to see them now.

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  12. LOL Wonderful honesty there Black Robin.

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  13. Lucky you because those were something else when it comes to pretentious....on multiple levels! ;-)

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  14. Gaga has stated many times that she doesn't create music or start the process by considering what the public wants, the fans or even her label. To her, she is an artist and creates the music that she herself wants to hear/feels, this is apparent from pretty much everything that she has released, while it may not be 100% original VERY rarely is it something that is on par with what is the standard (as most would say "what is radio friendly". The comment that the fan made makes sense and I believe that you can grow through criticism, however not in the sense that a critic doesn't like something so therefore you change it to suit their evaluation. I think that listening observing and evaluating criticism is good and at the end of the day if a large number of people are saying the same thing you should at the very least look into what is being said however you have to realize that IN HER MIND that is compromising her artistic expression and in an industry as fickle as this, commercial success can come via many paths. Breaking away from the norm or pandering to the masses or any combination of the two. "you have to be different, you have to be new, inventive an exciting" "you can't be too different or people wont relate to it" "it can't be too weird or no one will connect with it emotionally" plenty of artists have had success by doing both 1 or any combination the 2.


    I personally don't consider this a breakdown (possibly because we have seen so much worse from other artists or celebrities) but it is obvious that home girl is going through some shit.

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  15. Lol, being realistic, that is the best decision I feel I can make when it comes to a celeb. Even my most revered celeb would be hard pressed to give a damn over me, simply for the the fact that there are millions of "me" running around. I accepted that long ago, and try to not dive in too personally because I don't want my opinions on said celeb to influence my opinions said celeb's music.


    But of course, I wouldn't be me if I wasn't a big hypocrite. LOL, I hate Mariah Carey for no valid reason and that hatred for her influences my like for her music, completely. I can only stomach about half a song from her at a time.


    And overall, I try my hardest to not care about a celebs personal life, whether it goes from avoiding article's pertaining to them in the news, or about a family member they have that's died, or hell, even if they get pregnant. Like, when all my friend's were rolling over when they learned Beyonce was pregnant three years ago...I was like...really? It was bound to happen one of these days considering she said she wanted to have a baby later in her life, when she feels ready for it (not exact quotes). I didn't want to know much of anything about her baby because her baby wasn't the one I was a fan of. I didn't buy albums from the baby growing up. I didn't troll youtube looking at concerts of the baby on stage giving stellar performances. LOL, I only cared for the output of Beyonce's music with hopes that in the future she would give me an album I could connect with on a more intellectual basis.


    Still though as a human, subjectivity in the wrong places does happen to creep in from time to time. But I rebuke it as soon as I notice I'm doing it. LOL...

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  16. And I don't buy that for a second. Gaga ,when she initially failed to get significant notice "being herself", teamed up with someone and together they created an pop "star" by knowing exactly how to play the audience and which audience to play with what.
    You may be of the opinion that is "art", I call it "Commerce" but her work itself has from that moment on been designed by considering what the audience wants and what they thought they could, literally, sell.
    "artistic integrity".... sorry Jahmal, don't take it personally but ...LMAO big time.

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  17. I completely agree but the particular honesty I was applauding there was "Everyone has their own struggle but the only one that I deeply care for is my own."
    Few people will admit that. (not that I think btw all people truly feel like that. If you truly love someone you care about their struggle deeply as well. But what people feel for an idol of fave is never "truly love" )

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  18. I don't think she is truly having any sort of psychological problems. Gaga has established herself as a real life act whos sole purpose is to wow you and grab your attention, whether good or bad. She aims to keep you talking about her. She really is the master of "fame" and even if she isn't as successful selling her actual music-she still manages to get us talking about her. As an Art lover and Student- I gotta say that the painting of hers is atrocious. You can put it in any era where art didn't need to be pretty and I still would think of it as tacky. It looks like a painter with the capabilities of a 12 year old did it. I know this isn't the part DD was aiming to get us to focus on-but it's not truly dark. Its just rachet.

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  19. OK, I see. I had got a bit confuse, but then again, just about every post I read confuses me so I make sure I explain myself thoroughly and to the best of my abilities. Sometimes I act a little slower than the average chicken in the hen house.

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  20. As someone who sketches and paints tons, I won't shoot down anyone for their art even if it looks like vivid throw-up. LOL, I was at that level when I was seven years old and it tool tons of hard work getting there. But, the thing I'm at least glad she's doing with it is "expressing herself", if that is what you wanna call it. Though, that little 40 minute wreck of a canvass ain't too expressive... Eh, its a step in a direction, not sure if its right, wrong, up, down, delusional, retarded, or just....for attention.


    And I think rachet is the wrong word to describe it...More so "basic" than "rachet"... To use is an sentence; "Gaga has basic bitch's painting skills."


    Ok I'm done trolling....

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  21. What do you mean? How did she fail to get significant notice for being herself?

    The music industry is exactly that, an industry, however I'm sure most
    artists consider themselves exactly that, "artists with integrity". I
    PERSONALLY don't consider this "art" but that term is highly subjective.
    I also don't consider this her having a problem with trying to stay
    true to her artistic integrity but what I am saying is that "in her mind" and "to her" that is what it is

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  22. You started of stating "in her mind" but your second line started claiming these things in her mind to be proven by her output.

    Most artists can consider themselves to be "artists" with "artistic integrity" but as you say...the music biz is a biz and as an outside observer I have to utter a hearty laugh at the self delusion of "most artists" on that front when it comes to almost anybody under major studio contract.

    I particularly have to laugh at the use of a term like "artistic integrity" when it comes to someone whom I see as so clearly choosing to play the biz for fame and fortune.

    She and Fusari were unsuccessful at first and this only changed when her performances started to be "provocative".

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  23. You piqued my curiosity you sneaky bastard you. :)


    Okay. Lay it on me. What these press releases say?

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  24. LOL Now don't go spoiling all that honesty by pretending humility. ;-)

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  25. LOL and here I was , all happy I didn't have to go hunt for links.
    But I think DD wrote about them too.

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  26. I realized my post may create the wrong impression....The picture is of the press release of course, not what DD wrote. ;-)
    Couldn't find the DD article that quickly.

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  27. Do you mean the part where I said about what she has put out thus far hasn't been similar to what's on the radio or the standard? Because it hasn't been, some may consider her unoriginal but as I stated what she puts out is not the same as what is out or in circulation at the time

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  28. Unfortunately the term "derivative" is not limited to "what's out or standard" at the same time. ;-)


    But to stay on point... I meant "create the music she.....standard" in combination with the way you start off the comment.

    It read to me as if you were seeing her the same way she claims in interviews and such to see herself.
    If you meant merely to interject her viewpoint into the conversation I must have read it wrong. :-)

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  29. I have to disagree with you there.
    Going by the Urban Dictionary's most popular definition " A diva, mostly from urban cities and ghettos, that has reason to believe
    she is every mans eye candy. Unfortunately, she's wrong."
    I think it's a pretty fair use if a little free.

    The painting is after all shown off by a diva who thinks she is every man's eye candy but wrong and it seems views her painting effort in much the same light. A work which is every man's eye candy but she is wrong about that as well. ;-)

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  30. Most mental disorders (including HPD, bipolarism and schizophrenia) show little (very little) signs at young age, but they don't usually appear as such until the twenties (John Nash) or sometimes the late teens (Demi Lovato). I think that she's definetly suffering the hubris, but IMO it goes further than that. Excessive hubris can easily lead to mental disorders of the group B, which was my first concern about Miley (Although I've seen some interviews and she seems to have her head well furnished). I also do believe that Gaga was bullied when she was younger.

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  31. I both agree and disagree with that thinking. I definetly could not count how many fucks I give about who has a new girlfriend, a baby or has gotten too drunk at a party (I may just feel happy for the first two cases, but nothing that trancends to my personal life). However, going into more serious issues, I think that is great that they show us the pain they've been through (although it's not mandatory and they're completely on their right of keeping it for themselves). Considering the huge influence those artists have on people, sharing their experiences and how they overcame their problems can help other people going through the same. Putting myself as an example, I don't know if I would have been able to pull through without Simple Plan. Not only I felt (and feel) hugely emotionaly related to their lyrics (many of them being about the band member's struggles) but also without Pierre's (the lead vocalist) story about his brother with cancer, which encouraged me and helped me overcome the troubles my father's desease brough us. Knowing that there's somebody out there that went through the same thing as you and was able to pull through is realieving, and gives you hope that you can do it too. I also know three people which thank Demi Lovato for sharing her story since it helped them to get through the same situation, which is the main reason I started listening to her music. Not only that, but some of them even go further and create associations to directly help those people. Putting Simple Plan and Demi Lovato as an example again, they created associations to help in the research of cancer and mental ilnesses respectively.

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  32. Really? What about that bit "Let me be for you the Goddess that I know I truly am"? THAT was pretencious haha

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  33. Are you sure it's a bitch? For me it looks like a chicken (no shade, I really think it is a chicken)

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  34. Personality disorders aren't "mental diseases" such as bipolar or schizophrenia. Though psychologist tread carefully with officially diagnosing personality disorders until adulthood, the signs are there way earlier. Gaga is 27..way past adolescence and early adulthood.
    Thing which such disorders is also that everybody displays some of the signs and it is only when a certain "critical" amount of traits "fit" and they significantly cause disruption that one can speak of a disorder.

    Hubris doesn't lead to mental disorder. It can be one of the traits signifying a mental disorder. But like I said, your examples are very poor indicators because they are incidental or indistinguishable from professional stuff and because they are generally not pervasive enough.
    Gaga for instance did not display hubris early on or in different situations. For it to be a sign of a personality disorder it needs to be a clear and integral part of the entire personality. Not situational.

    As for the bullying, it is her word against that of people who went to school with her and seeing as it happened to be the issue du jour when she first started claiming this and she clearly focused her PR on that group, which co-incidentally "happen" to be the age pop music markets to, I remain in utter disbelief of her claim. Certainly because there would have been more proof if it had happened AND been pervasive enough to cause real damage.

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  35. LOL, I think you misunderstood me. Here in the USA, we call anything that doesn't impress us basic, and anything that just looks a mess ratchet. But either way, one could have said "Gaga has basic bitch's painting skills," or "Gaga has ratchet bitch's painting skills"... Lol, ratchet just sounds terrible to say...

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  36. LOL, you have a point. To her it might look like a Picasso but to us it looks like bloody vomit.

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  37. That's why I stated (Though I had an error), that I care for the message they represent most of all. I was typing fast and meant to say "I generally don't care for an artist's personal life apart from their message at hand" I mean, that is why sometimes, I fangasm over Janelle Monae because she talks about black people issues here in the USA which I can relate to, and as a result, I like what she represents. But it goes to show her artistry, when I know about her struggles in her upbringing and learn where she comes from without having to revert to Google. Most of her songs revolve around the Deep South and she always talks about "Freeing Kansas City" in her lyrics...She talks about "New Atlantis" which is Atlanta Ga, to Savannah Ga, in her lyrics....


    IDK how this will come off, but if an artist can tell me information about themselves through their lyrics in a tasteful way, then I'm all ears....


    Like.... Janelle Monae's song "Ghetto Woman", I liked it vocally at first because she hit some nice Eb5s and two gorgeous sustained F#5 belts. Then I started paying attention to the lyrics thinking it was a tribute to every black woman in the South who couldn't find work because of her being a woman, her being a product of an oppressive government, and teaching her that faith in both their dreams and their "God" is both important to stay strong. But it simply wasn't just that... She could relate to these lyrics like no other because her mother went through quite a struggle... And she explained that in the song and continued singing about her spirituality. (I'm trying to avoid the religious topic as best as I can, but failing terribly...LOL) The entire song is one I just really like.... The message is greatly delivered, but not perfectly suited for everyone...But she wasn't catering to a wide audience with the song. Just specifically black women who face poverty in the South.


    Another song of hers that I love is "Sally Ride"... "Sally Ride" and "Given'm What They Love" Are my two favorite songs from the album for two different reasons. "Sally Ride" is talking about lonesomeness (I can relate to it perfectly) and about getting away from the negativity around you (OH MY GAWD THESE LYRIC STRIKE HOME SO MUCH...)


    "Given'm What They Love" Is just a song about feeling she is a message giver (Subliminally), but overall the song tries to convey a message of sexuality even though its not really about sex. Its basically say she is about to bring forth and be committed to a mission (a message) that she views is far bigger than herself, though it is not clear what the message is, until you listen to her next song... Q.U.E.E.N....LOL...


    But basically, "Given'm What They Love," Is Lady Gaga's "Applause" done right IMHO.... Its not saying Janelle lives for the fame, but saying she needs her message expressed...
    This album is just a story and for me, this is the first album that felt like a story to me and I need moar!!!! I want more artists that can make their albums feel like a story!!!!!

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  38. LOL, well, there goes that fake smile and pretend patience I generally show with the people who run through this site. I guess I'll throw that out the window....lol, JK. I just overly think too many of the posts (Your fault, because when we first met, you'd read me DOWN like no other... so I had to get with the program...ROFL)....

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  39. Oh, so by "bitch's painting skills" you didn't mean to literally paint a bitch? My bad then sorry xD

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  40. LOL, its ok. Its more say saying she's at a level. LOL, "Basic bitch" is a low level while "Rachet Bitch" is just a terrible level to be at... I'm taking this tooooo seriously....LOLOL...

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  41. Oh the entire thing was. The mother line just stuck out to me more.

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  42. I -as someone who literally draws all the time- have to agree with you. The idea had potential though but it's just a mess. But I have to say that thing is scary as fuck

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  43. the fact that people are so negative especially with their comments on here .... encapsulates what is bothering her


    i dont think she has any psychological problems but i just think that she let everyone's negative words get the better of her


    its sad though because she seems so distraught and unsure of how to deal with all this negativity


    i also feel as though a lot of people left her when she was recovering from surgery and that seems like it took a huge toll on her - especially with the split with troy carter


    i wish people would just leave her alone - its one thing to dislike her music but people are just vile and vicious


    i hope she just gets back on track she seemed to be doing fine when she released applause
    and applause did well on the charts (3 months on the billboard top 10) so i dont know why people are so harsh on her


    i dont think shes headed for a meltdown but i feel as though she wont be as omnipresent in the media like she usually is

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  44. people honestly need to change online especially in blogs


    some of you might just brush off being vicious and cruel online because you don't think it makes a difference


    but seriously stop being so damn negative
    this blog used to be an environment where people would respectfully converse about their favorite divas


    now its a battlefield to see who can get into the most arguments and consequently people just end up being unnecessarily rude

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  45. Primo Uomo Assoluto9 January 2014 at 18:42

    I don't see anything particularly odd or troubling about her behavior. She is a human being, and as any human being she has her "light" and "dark" sides. As any human being she has moments of joy and moments of sorrow. It just so happens she is an artist (a very good artist) and those moments are overexposed and people make up their own theories without knowing what's actually going on.
    People should worry less about what a celebrity does in their personal life, and worry more about what they do in their lives, and what they do...work on do it better.
    And I agree with Gaga, an artist does not need critics to grow...every artist has their own path and their own journey. Sure, if someone is just awful, they should be told that so they can perhaps work on improving. But saying "Oh, I don't like it" doesn't help an artist a single bit.

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  46. Primo Uomo Assoluto9 January 2014 at 18:45

    I doubt she was painting that with the intention of creating the next "Mona Lisa". She was simply expressing a vision in her mind.

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  47. Primo Uomo Assoluto9 January 2014 at 18:48

    People have the right to change and evolve. Especially when it comes to their art. The way an 18 year old behaves is different than the way a 21 year old behaves, even if slightly. Same thing, an artist who was doing a certain style one year might completely change it by next album.


    And I thought you say there were no "right or wrong" in art...contradictions, contradictions.

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  48. A midlife crisis in your 20's ?

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  49. How do you define a "good" artist ? Her work is extremely derivative, which doesn't show a particularly creative person.

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  50. She has raided different artists work and people are not happy about that, maybe you should broaden your horizons to know why she encounters negativity; raiding through peoples work and appropriating is not something everyone supports.

    It also seems as if she is also having a big strop whenever her work doesn't chart high and draws other artists into her behaviour, making drama, whilst saying "Stop the Drama", it is psychologically over the top.

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  51. As someone who went to art school and also studied at a design university, I'll say I can't agree. As a non-fan I won't embark on an elaborate explanation, however. ;)

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  52. Primo Uomo Assoluto9 January 2014 at 20:00

    Well, I go by the strict and original definition of art, which is a cultivated skill and craftsmanship used with the purpose to express and/or create beauty.
    It could be argued that every pop star is derivative, as they often feed on the same trends. Madonna, for example, has made a career out popularizing underground trends.
    But I would argue that although Gaga is most certainly heavily influenced by Madonna (as well as Grace Jones, Queen, David Bowie, etc), she is the imago to Madonna's larva.
    And based on what I believe (and the old, strict definition of art) I believe that Gaga is a very good musical artist, a good musician.

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  53. "I sometimes feel so overwhelmed by how little I know about singing and
    how much the other know that I love being able to show off a bit haha"

    A bit histrionic yourself ?
    Is the showing off more important than the content and message ?

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  54. " It is part of their professional PR to try and be in the center of
    attention all the time. In Gaga's case, she did not seem to have
    excessively tried to do so outside of her job related PR campaigns. "

    Really ?

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  55. Primo Uomo Assoluto9 January 2014 at 20:12

    Pop music is all about self-cannibalization and recycling though...
    I mean, for example, Madonna has ripped off Goldfrapp, and Goldfrapp ripped off T-Rex and ABBA at some points...

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  56. She's only acting like this because her album flopped, and the media is giving her a 'reality check'.

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  57. One of the main characteristics of a midlife crisis perspective is one assumes that their midlife is about to be eventful, usually in a negative way, and potentially stressful. Additionally, they often see their life coming to a drastic decline.

    -Individuals experiencing a midlife crisis have some of these feelings:
    -search of an undefined dream or goal
    -a deep sense of remorse for goals not accomplished
    -a fear of humiliation among more successful colleagues
    -desire to achieve a feeling of youthfulness
    -need to spend more time alone or with certain peers
    -They exhibit some of these behaviors:
    -abuse of alcohol

    acquisition of unusual or expensive items such as motorbikes, boats, clothing, sports cars, jewelry, gadgets, tattoos, piercings, etc.

    -depression
    -having remorse for one's wrongs.
    -paying special attention to physical appearance such as covering baldness, wearing youthful designer clothes, etc.
    -entering relationships with younger people (whether sexual, professional, parental, etc.)
    -placing overimportance (and possibly a psychologically damaging amount) on their children to excel in areas such as sports, arts, or academics

    (source: Wikipedia)

    Everything is possible really, I can totally see that in Lady Gaga, especially because the show business is so ephemeral...

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  58. Primo Uomo Assoluto9 January 2014 at 20:24

    Except ARTPOP is on its way to sell 2 million copies. That's hardly a flop. Sure, it's not the supernova type of commercial success from her 5 first years, but no infinite growth is possible (by the laws of physics, LOL).


    The media is simply hating on her because of what they perceive as arrogance and pretentiousness. Because they feel a pop star should be just that, an entertainer, a product. And if a pop star dares to try to be an artist, they shoot them down.


    Sadly, some pop stars who try to be artists forget about making actually catchy songs, and many artists who desperately try to cling to commercial success stop being artists and become mediocre commercial products.

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  59. You didn't address my question. 20's is generally not midlife.

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  60. Well, she is pretentious, especially selling her cobbled together work as revolutionary.

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  61. Ok, but Artpop has zero art in it.
    And Born this way sold in one week in the US only almost as much as Artpop since its release worldwide.

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  62. Just•Another•Jenny9 January 2014 at 20:32

    how cute...you think lady gaga is an artist... (:

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  63. Well I didn't take it as a question really but rather as a doubt. And yes, you are right; a midlife crisis usually starts at the age of 30-50. You can say that then it's not a real midlife-crisis anymore. I'd say that it's a distorted form of a midlife-crisis if you will

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  64. ps unlike when it comes to what is "pretty' or "great" ..there IS a factual truth regarding Gaga's motivation. We just don't know it.

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  65. Eh, she'll be fine, she's just going through a rough patch right now with dozens of media publications printing outright lies, her fans constantly complaining, and her parting ways with her manager and long-time friend. Her reply to the fan was something that actually needed to be said. The "$25m" rumor was made up by a literal troll and somehow was taken by dozens of sites and reported as fact without any source whatsoever. It's one thing to be criticized, it's another to have people posting outright lies that hurt your reputation.


    Nevertheless, I'm not worried. She has always been sort of a "troubled" person and her issues have never stopped her from making music that I love, so as long as she continues with that then everything is fine on my end.

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  66. You could say it's a midlife crisis career wise. That would fit...she is an established act and now has to find a way to move on from her big success into the next phase of her career life.
    I think it's actually a better analogy than any mental disease theory.

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  67. Dunno if you know this, but most, if not all art is "derivative". Dunno why that is only ever used against Gaga.

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  68. Exactly ! That + Lady Gaga's vulnerability (heavy bullying and songs like "Princess Die" show what a fragile being she really is) make her behaviour so chaotic and gloomy IMO

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  69. "raiding through peoples work and appropriating is not something everyone supports"


    Yet it's something everybody does.

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  70. You didn't answer the question. What is skillful and crafty about copying madonna and having a haus of people that do things for you?

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  71. Because she's an awful, amateur artist way out of her league that needs to stop leeching onto people better than she could ever be.

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  72. I actually find myself in agreement with you on a Gaga related issue. LOL How spooky is that?
    I also think it's basically her going through a rough patch as a person but suspect she will be fine.
    And much as I think Artpop is boring drivel...a "flop" it commercially definitely is not. That is indeed a straight out lie to claim otherwise.

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  73. As said before me, I don't think she painted this in hopes of it becoming the next Mona Lisa. This constant need to judge everything she does as if it's meant to be something more than what it is, is also adding fuel to the fire. Sometimes the girl just wants to be silly or do something like this. Doesn't mean she thinks it's amazing.

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  74. It flopped with the public. People don't like the music.

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  75. Agreeing with me? I think I felt the Earth shift in its orbit.


    The "flop" comments are so exaggerated these days. Will I admit it didn't perform the way everyone thought it would? Yes, but hey, Gaga decided to make dance music during a time when it's just not as popular. That's something she has to face the consequences of.

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  76. Nope there still is a difference between being inspired by and being derivative. The difference lies in what, how and how much is being added.

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  77. Applause has spent several months on the BB chart, 10+ weeks in the top ten, and has sold over 2m copies. The album debuted at #1, has sold 1.5m copies WW in less than two months, and both Applause and Do What U Want are some of her biggest radio hits to date. You might not like the music but millions of others do.

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  78. She obviously thinks it's something worth sharing though. Which is something many will disagree on. Doesn't mean we only would think so if it was another Mona Lisa

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  79. If it flopped with the people it wouldn't have sold millions of albums. I know because all of my favorites are huge "commercial flops" compared to Gaga's worst selling album LOL

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  80. Any and everything is worth sharing. Others not agreeing with it being worthy of sharing isn't the point. Your point would be valid had she shared it on Twitter or some other public forum created for the masses. She shared it on a website created by her for fans of her. The general consensus is that everyone on that site agrees it was share-worthy.

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  81. People hated how self-congratulating applause was, so that's a pretty bad example. Sales and radio play don't mean good music in this day and age nor that the general public actually like it. Anyway, DWUW and applause have flopped off relevant charts.

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  82. So yeah, ignore the facts I just posted in order to claim something is a "flop". Hope that's not how you operate in the real world.

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  83. Yes, that is a major distinction...expectations v. actual numbers. The latter are definitely lower than hopes/expectations but in actual numbers her sales are simply huge.

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  84. Millions? Last I heard it's barely at 2 million.. that's a bit of an exaggeration.. plus that's a special discounted price once again..

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  85. All that crap doesn't matter if when I go through many news sites, the GP is trashing it. Like I said it flopped with the general public, people don't like artpop! Accept it.

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  86. "Millions" is plural, as in more than one million, which, as you said yourself, it has sold.


    And yes, the popular "discount" comeback. You do know that literally every artist discounts their music? During the holidays, every major player had their album discounted. Gaga, Katy, Britney, Eminem. It's how this lil' thing called business works.

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  87. LOL well it depends on the bar one sets I guess. I draw and I would have considered this not worthy of sharing even or especially with my best friends. But of course...again just my opinion. :-)

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  88. So sales don't mean anything if the "GP" is trashing it? You don't sell 2m copies of a single and it doesn't receive the amount of airplay the song received (it's Gaga's biggest radio hit) if the song is a flop.


    The only accepting that needs to be done is by you, who for whatever reason is literally ignoring facts.

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  89. Lol, duh, I know what millions means. But it's not like we're talking about 5 or 6 million here, which is my point.

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  90. You're ignoring the fact that music can sell millions, and the general public can STILL hate it.

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  91. Well, the album is only two months old. I don't think selling that amount is even possible in this day and age.


    So your point is, well, not really a point at all.

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  92. No, I'm not ignoring that... but that doesn't matter. Sales are what deem something a "flop" or not, not whether or not people don't like it.


    And my point is that with 2m sales and 120,000,000 views on YouTube, it's more than obviously people did in fact like it. Facts contradict your comments.

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  93. Yes 2 is plural thus "millions" and the number of acts able to sell two million copies of an album is low compared to the number of acts working.
    You are trying to argue against facts. Plain and simple...any label would give it's proverbial right arm for a commercial 'flop" like that.

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  94. Lol "it doesn't matter".. plus who cares about youtube views when obsessed fans are repeating and refreshing videos because they're desperate. Also, quoting her sales are laughable for the same reason when little monsters are buying multiple copies and gifting each other, which is a fact.

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  95. I already clarified my statement so you're being redundant.

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  96. -Applause is not even in the list of best selling singles of 2013. Rumour has it it's one of the LOWEST selling single that made the top ten this year. She only stayed in the top ten thanks to Youtube views and how Billboard is fucked up now. (on its second week, Applause climbed up the charts whiule its sales declined; so it's official, the artist with the most unemployed fans are glad they now have a chance on the charts)

    -Born this way sold in one week in the US only almost as much as Artpop since its release worldwide. And no honey, 1.5 million, doesn't make "millions", plural starts from 2 ;-)

    -Biggest radio hits doesn't mean anything, since you can BUY RADIO SLOTS.

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  97. She's going downhill. Explain why so many people in her team have left her. Lol, Troy Carter, Matthew Dada Williams, Laurieann Gibson, Nichola Formichetti. If she was doing so well career wise I'm sure they wouldn't hop off the money train.

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  98. Dude, seriously. As Anthagio here will tell you, there is no greater or I dare say more avid critic of Gaga here than me but one really needs to distinguish fact from opinion.
    COMMERCIALLY this album was not a flop. That is a factual thing..hard numbers.
    Whether it was artistically a flop is subjective. I happen to agree with you there.
    But it undermines one's criticism if one starts confusing facts with opinions.

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  99. The album IS a flop if those numbers were reached partly by desperate fans buying multiple copies and gifting them away in a desperate attempt to make their goddess (lmao) number one. That's unheard of.

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  100. Dude, it was a joke, if I had a personality disorder I can ensure you that HPD would be the last one

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  101. LOL Hon, I can't see each comment appearing at once. Certainly not while also typing at the same time.
    You are also antagonizing a fellow Gaga critic btw.
    I think I will just leave you to your self undermining criticism.
    I going to trust I have sufficiently distanced my own criticism from such blind and illogical critique as you are engaging in.

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  102. Who wants to rely on a niche market to buy multiple copies to boost numbers.. that's not a good way to go about business.

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  103. That's fine, if you can't take the heat get out the kitchen. Lol.

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  104. LOL how is that incorrect? It's far from being untrue. Wow.

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  105. Oh sweetie, you clearly came on here just now with this thread. You have not a clue who you are talking to .."if you can't stand the heat" hahahahaha

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  106. I don't care who you are. Is that supposed to make a difference?

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  107. Sales are sales and every stan of every artist does that kind of thing. I also have bought albums double to give to friends and played youtubes over and over again of my fave. And I know fellow fans who did the same. And you know what...Alison Krauss, amazingly as it is imo, still doesn't sell near to two million. Even being the most grammy winning woman in grammy history with 27 grammies from 41 nominations at 41 years of age didn't get her close to those numbers
    You are therefor...incorrect.

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  108. Who are your favorites?

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  109. Yeah, thank you. When someone says "millions", it kind of implies a bigger number than 2. That's all I was trying to say.

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  110. Lol, come on now. Every knows little monsters abuse/use this tactic the most. You still didn't prove me incorrect. All you said just now is that other people do it too. Fair enough, but that's not proving me incorrect, that's actually agreeing with me.

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  111. LOL it doesn't to people who like to ignore facts. So I guess to you it wouldn't but I am sure to all the regular posters your comment and your reply now pretty much painted the picture of you.
    I dare say a couple of folks in both Pro and anti gaga camp just dismissed you as irrelevant. As did I. Interpret it as you will. :-)

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  112. "everybody knows" is just about the most ridiculous argument one could use and no, I am not agreeing with you. I am saying hard numbers are hard numbers are dollars in somebodies pocket. Commercially this album is simply not a "flop"

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  113. Alison Krauss, Anouk, Sarah Jarosz, Shelby Lynne are some of my faves

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  114. Gaga didn't discount her album during the holidays, she sold it for 6 dolars in the very first weeks of release. The price even went down to 4 dolars!
    And the contrast was obvious : Katy Perry, who released her album nearly at the same time, managed to outsell her while selling her album for more than double Artpop's price.

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  115. You are agreeing with me because you just wrote in a nutshell, "so, other people do it too" as an argument in your previous paragraph. Which means you're acknowledging they do = you're agreeing with me.


    We don't know how much interscope spent to promote this album, and how much profit actually comes so technically no one truly knows if it's a flop. If you want to be superficial and accept numbers that could be made up by a corrupt industry go ahead, do you.

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  116. Expected that much from you when dealing with delicate subjects. My belief is Christian and it forever remain that way so it's very offensive.

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  117. LOL. That's could quite be very true. When you're a prodigy (AKA Whitney Houston) and the baby of the company, and your album flops... the media's going to show their true colors.

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  118. I guess her Illuminati initiation has begun LOL.
    Only kidding...maybe...

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  119. And I am an atheist and as such your statement was deeply offensive to me. I feel I remained pretty polite by simply pointing out some facts.
    I am not going to let the posting of such offensive notions simply go by unmarked by a counter view.
    You are absolutely free to remain a christian of course, but I am free to express my opinion as well.

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  120. LOL I was responding to the main point of course. If all fans do the same thing it cancels each other out. The argument is therefor moot. Commercial success or flop is determined by sales numbers.
    I am simply being factual.
    Fact that the industry is corrupt is as moot an argument as your other one since there too it is the same for every artist

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  121. Did it really sell "millions"? Dont forget, many of those sales were heavily discounted. 3.99, thats almost giving it away.

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  122. So what is it? more or less than 1.5 million....sales NOT shipments.

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  123. Millions is actually more than 2 million, otherwise people would say "it sold over a million copies" not "its sold millions of copies". big differenc.e
    None of those acts discounted their music so heavily or so quickly.

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  124. but not enoughtto buy the album.

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  125. So if the song isnt a flop and the album is selling really well(be honest, now many copies were you suckered into buying?), why the hell is Gaga having online meltdowns on a weekly basis....


    Oh, and can we now mention how well the tour is selling?

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  126. Well, i guess the only fact interscope care about are if they are in the red or black with this album. Considering,everything and costs involved with an artist of Gagas size, do you think they are?

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  127. She literally begged her fans to buy multiple copies. I have seen picture of them with their hoards of cds on twitter, hoping their mother montster would respond.


    Would a desperate fan spend several hundred dollars on CDs to impress her....too right.

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  128. Just be honest now....are you,Jordan and Nostradamus all the same person or do you all just happen to share the same hobby and all came here in response to Jordan's "call to arms" on one of the other many many threads/sites on Gaga you guy(s?) like to hang on?
    Either way, if you are going to make the same argument, I suggest you simply read my reply to the first one of you who came with it. :-)

    I can't believe I now find myself arguing against the very people Gaga fans on this blog always accused me of being. LOL

    Seriously, all you anti Gaga stans, pick on someone else instead of her biggest critic here who simply feels arguing with nonsense is counterproductive.
    But hey, if you insist, I can do this for a long time and very persistently...numbers are what determine whether the term "commercial flop" can be applied.
    Now me personally, I would not spent a single cent on it and I think it is safe to assume that nobody who thinks this album is an artistic flop will buy it even if it is only $4.

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  129. Who buys how many copies is not a factor in hard sales numbers.
    That's because nobody has any factual numbers on such matters.
    Facts, speculations, opinions...these are 3 different things.
    The moment you start to act as if they are one and the same...you basically lost the argument already ( in as much as there is a winning and losing in such arguments.)

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  130. By your own strict and original definition, i dont see a single thing that Gaga has produced with Artpop than can be considered more worthr of the title of ART than what Katy perry has done with roar.

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  131. Funny how no other celebrity has these issues, espeically the ones that Monsters actively targeted.


    Gaga is pathetic.

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  132. I have no idea but I suspect they are just fine.
    I suspect production wise they have a set system and costs are no higher when producing Gaga's disc than they are for less selling artist's disc.
    PR wise I think Gaga is such an international bandwagon that an awful lot of PR is actually free. Much the same way once you are filthy rich, you end up getting lots of things for free.
    I am sure that hour long BBC Culture show special was not bought for instance but given freely by the BBC in the hope from their side of drawing millions of viewers.

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  133. Madonna did not make a career of ripping of goldfrapp. Gaga has specifically set out to mimic and copy madonna from day one. And for a while she had the public fooled.

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  134. Do you not think every gossip column writer on the planet is not registred on that site. She knows what she was doing. She used the same website to post an open letter the Kelly Osborne........did she tink Kelly was a little monster?

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  135. I don't think Gaga really fits that "cash cow" record label stereotype though (maybe Britney or Rihanna are better candidates).. I remember seeing the video for Marry The Night- She directed that herself, and it was over 10 minutes long, had a confusing monologue, and in general lacked good/professional execution. If her work is truly only motivated by commerce, then I'm at a loss to understand why her label allowed her to make such a video in the first place? Or, if commerce is the only thing that matters.. then why does Gaga even put effort into writing her own music and directing her own videos?

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  136. And you watched the whole thing? You must have been one of the 56 million views. And that's why commercially it being long with confusing monologue and lack of professional execution was a success...56 million views!
    I have to take your word for it displaying all those things btw as I am not one of the 56 million. ;-)

    And I never called Gaga a "cash cow" for her record company btw. I was stating my opinion on HER motivation.


    As for the record company's motivation...well, now, for them EVERY artist they sign is signed with that motive. Of putting cash in their pockets.
    And that means that indeed Britney and Rihanna are on par with gaga in that. But that doesn't excuse Gaga.
    Difference is that Gaga goes around claiming otherwise...being pretentious about her product and image.
    Rihanna and Britney do not.
    Ps where I am a fierce critic of Gaga, Rihanna I hate with a deep and abiding hate which doesn't even have anything to do with her music. (Just in case you thought I criticize Gaga because I am a Rihanna or Britney fan. )

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  137. I was more so saying that It looks much better to her than it does to us, but my choice of bad wording. Sorry. I didn't mean that she perceived it to the level of a Picasso art work. LOL.

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  138. I understand that... I just chose poor wording. I was trying to say that it may look better to her than it does to everyone else who's viewed it. LOL, I didn't mean it as saying she was attempting to create a masterpiece. My bad there.

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  139. You can call it expressionism or whatever if you want- but one of my biggest gripes in the art world is that something can be thrown on a canvas with a bull crap meaning and its called art. There is a difference between being clever and genuinely weird with your art, and literally slapping paint on a canvas- calling it a demon dog, and awaiting the praise. It would be different if the piece was actually clever or if she uploaded it with a tag that said the intention was to show her progress, or even if she was just humble about it.

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  140. Yassss...the devil wants that soul...and she wants that fame...its only a matter of time before she gets to the top and we're all brain washed into buying her songs...

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  141. Don't forget all of the TRIANGLES that will start appearing at awkward moments in her upcoming videos Lol..

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  142. Primo Uomo Assoluto10 January 2014 at 03:21

    And I know many people who call it her best work yet, so...

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  143. Primo Uomo Assoluto10 January 2014 at 03:23

    How cute you think you would be able to recognize art if it bitch slapped you :)

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  144. Primo Uomo Assoluto10 January 2014 at 03:26

    Art doesn't have to be sad shit like "My heart is a broken mirror, a billion shards distorting the truth" or something like that. Art is, first of all, skill used to express an emotion and create beauty. And songs like "Gypsy" and "Done" are plenty beautiful and artful in the traditional sense.

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  145. Primo Uomo Assoluto10 January 2014 at 03:28

    Can Katy play an instrument with a high skill level + sing very well + compose and arrange a song + produce it + do the visual concepts + the fashion concepts + perform live in athletic way requiring literal transformation on stage while keeping good vocals?

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  146. Primo Uomo Assoluto10 January 2014 at 03:29

    Last time I checked she writes, arranges, co-produces, sings, performs and plays (instrumentalist) her songs.

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  147. Primo Uomo Assoluto10 January 2014 at 03:37

    Goldfrapp is just one of the many underground bands she ripped off. Do a little research :) if anyone is the real queen of unoriginality, it's Madonna.

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  148. She's clearly depressed! she is upset of something and we all know the "fame monster" means that her fame is wayning. And at this point of her career or even back then, didn't she know already that there will be people who will pretend to be her friends? this is a greedy business and Gaga is not the first artist to feel this. before her there many stars back then who talked about this kind of things like Whitney, Mariah, MJ and so on. But again she is no different from the rest she fell for the fame because she loves the attention and now it's taking a toll on her, well she had it coming. and even though i despise her, i wish her all the best. and the fan that wrote her something has many point.

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  149. i have to disagree with her being a master of fame. that is simply false

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  150. The subject was factual "flop". Not subjective opinion. Subjectively speaking even the best sold album in history could be considered a flop as there are way more people who didn't like it than who liked it.
    Like I said...stop mistaking opinions for facts.

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  151. Opie, I think I'm secretly falling in love with you HAHA. Kidding (but not really), but I do find myself pretty much only reading your comments on this site of late, and I was nervous when I saw it was a Gaga page in recent comments... but you are, as always, mature and honest in opinion as opposed to fact. Sorry, nothing to do with Gaga in this comment, just spreading some love xo

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  152. LOL Who'd have thunk eh?
    Nobody more surprised than me to find myself in argument with such Gaga haters.
    As for your kind words... what can I say...I am flattered. ;-D


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL87sHjXlVU

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  153. Primo Uomo Assoluto10 January 2014 at 07:37

    That's simply a lie and gross exaggeration. She is a fine musician, and as such has the respect of many classically trained musicians and operaphiles. Something not easily earned by standard pop stars.

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  154. Primo Uomo Assoluto10 January 2014 at 07:48

    If by copying Madonna you refer to the similarities in production (not in actual melody) of "Born this way" song to "Express yourself", I repeat once again: POP MUSIC IS ALL ABOUT RECYCLING AND SELF-CANNIBALIZATION.


    Madonna herself is guilty of ripping off dozens of lesser known artists when it comes to both music and visuals. For example Kylie Minogue, Bjork, Goldfrapp, Kazaky, Malcolm McLaren, Donna Summer, Debbie Harry, Liza Minelli...even Cher. And must we mention her career-long Marilyn Monroe-based looks?
    And going back to Kazaky, who were featured in Madonna's "Girl gone bad" video. They based their whole boys-in-high-heels dance routine on Lady Gaga's music video "Alejandro". So Madonna has even ripped off Lady Gaga herself!

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  155. Primo Uomo Assoluto10 January 2014 at 07:49

    It's hilarious how the Gaga haters accuse her of plagiarizing Madonna, when Madonna herself is the queen of plagiarizing lesser known artists and personalities when it comes to both music and visuals.

    For example Kylie Minogue, Bjork, Goldfrapp, Kazaky, Malcolm McLaren, Donna Summer, Debbie Harry, Liza Minelli, etc...even Cher. And must we mention her career-long Marilyn Monroe-based looks?
    And going back to Kazaky, who were featured in Madonna's "Girl gone bad" video. They based their whole boys-in-high-heels dance routine on Lady Gaga's music video "Alejandro". So Madonna has even ripped off Lady Gaga herself!

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  156. i don't want to argue with you because it is overbearing but just..... NO!

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  157. Honey, when you state something, you must prove it. Randomly quoting artists' names isn't proving anything, it's just lazy.
    As for men in high heels, Madonna already had this imagery in 1991, but you didn't take time to look it up, I had to do it for you

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  158. Gypsy, you mean the song that sounds like Bruce Spingteen's Thunder Roard and her own Highway Unicorn?

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  159. I'll give you some of them, but you made several mistakes :

    -Co-produce, in fact, she has produced very few songs on her own.

    -Visual and fashion concepts, do you really think she does it entirely on her own?


    -Keeping good vocals? Lemme throw up on stage while my voices keeps on coming crystal clear.

    -Perform in an athletic way?

    http://cdn.littlemonsters.com/4fc06d53c64dfcba5500e1e2/ic446f49e063_700.gif

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcxy4kEaSx1r3b6ffo1_500.gif

    http://media.tumblr.com/d417b262e0c8fc2a55b94c4ab5cd37f0/tumblr_inline_mi6tbkVUOj1qz4rgp.gif

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  160. No, we are not the same person. When I gave them the link, that's not what I had in mind. I know you're a Gaga critic because I otfen visit this site and I find you make very good and constructive points. I'm sorry they attacked you, they didn't know it, now this comment section is a mess...

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  161. Primo, remember to avoid insulting people EVEN if they're attacking you (I wouldn't call this an attack, though). You said you wanted to control how easily you get bothered; this is a nice chance to do so.

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  162. Look what you did there. When it comes to gaga copying Madonna, it's "similiarities in production" but when it's Madonna, she's ripping off people? Talk about a double standard. It doesn't matter what your opinion is, LOADS of people thought she ripped off Madonna as soon as they heard it, even some gaga fans.

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  163. She flat out told a fan that his belief that "artists need criticism, good and bad" is something he made up; and rejected it. If that doesn't tell you something then I don't know. Criticism is a part of life. Just because you grew up rich and sheltered by parents who didn't teach you how to take criticism doesn't make a difference. That's such a big clue that she grew up sheltered.

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  164. Um, I'm sorry.. but just because you're a regular poster doesn't mean your actual post has higher value or something. Sorry.

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  165. Give me reasons why she's not an artist???

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  166. Lol, don't provoke me, or you might see this face here a lot more than you'd wish.

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  167. i don't think people will leave her alone.. she is at the moment a relevant celebrity.

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  168. exactly. i think she's living a delusional life. she just wanna hear "YES" and i something is wrong with that. She wants to be famous all throughout her life which is impossible, she wants to be loved but not hated. well she needs some reality check

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  169. No, PRISM has been $7 on iTunes for quite some time. In fact, it was discounted before ARTPOP was. Gaga fans were actually complaining that ARTPOP was still full price while others were discounted.


    I love how the people who don't like Gaga are so obsessed with her that they even know which store has the lowest price on the album.


    One thing you guys don't seem to know, however, is how business works and how artists don't personally discount their albums.

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  170. They did, though. Amazon discounted PRISM, Eminem's album, and 1D's album at the same time they discounted ARTPOP.

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  171. Just know that if you have both Opie AND myself agreeing that you are ignoring facts, then you're simply ignoring facts.

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  172. YouTube views equate to dollars for the artist so they matter. YouTube has anti-spam algorithms in place to keep from people refreshing the view and artificially increasing the view count. They do this to save themselves from having to pay for views that are fraudulent. Common sense, really.

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  173. Hahaha first off, that should scare you more than me if you were more familiar with my reputation here. Second...I don't see any face? Hell, you can't even be bothered coming up with a name. ;-D

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  174. Don't you just love the ridiculous "fans bought more than on copy" argument? As if that somehow takes away from the sales and subsequent dollars going into the label's pockets. I know I personally bought the physical and digital album because I wanted both and I know fans of ALL artists sometimes do the same, yet it's only being used against Gaga. Didn't you know only Gaga fans buy multiple copies of an album LOL?

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  175. I did watch the whole thing (I also sat through Madonna's 17 minute "secretproject" drivel so that shows you just how constructively I spend my time ;) )
    But, 56 million is actually a relatively low-performing video for someone like Gaga. She can have a guaranteed "success", in your definition, with just about anything she releases. The song was a flop, which in part explains it, but I think the numbers could have definitely been brought up had Gaga not been allowed so much artistic control.

    Which brings me to my larger point- If Gaga is like you said, mostly motivated by commerce, then why would she waste so much time and energy into creating "art" (regardless of what quality it is) in the first place, when other professionals could easily do it for her? The latter is very characteristic of Britney and Rihanna's method. Though I agree Gaga is pretentious, the biggest difference that sets her apart from those two is that she's actually a creator.
    I think, even though a lot of people find her pretentious or self-indulgent, she actually does believe in what she makes- or else she wouldn't waste time making it at all.

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  176. LOL, more proof you don't know what you're talking about.


    Rob Fusari is an ex boyfriend and producer she left after they broke up.


    Troy Carter and Gaga mutually decided to move away from one another.


    Dada and Gaga are still close friends. In fact, Gaga's producer, DJWS, was just at his house the other day. Dada moved on to take care of his own child and deal with his own projects.


    LAG's contract expired and they decided not to renew it.


    Nicola has already confirmed these rumors as untrue. He moved on to become the creative director of Mugler and to deal with his own projects. He and Gaga remain friends.


    Research, it never hurt anyone.

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  177. It's sad how much nonsense you spew when you know absolutely nothing about the woman. Gaga's grandparents are Italian immigrants and her mom and dad didn't start making money until she was about five years old. Her parents used all of the money they made to put her and her sister into a school they felt was "good enough". It wasn't until the nineties when Gaga's father's business took off that they began making enough money to be able to cover more than just school costs.


    I'm sure you've read multiple Gaga "biographies" so there's no excuse for your ignorance and flat out lies.

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  178. Well she did say the album itself isn't the art, rather how she's executing the campaign by collaborating with people like Koons, Wilson, and Abramovic. The album itself is meant to be fun.


    And why do you keep bringing up BTW? You do know that's still a Gaga album and that you bringing that up is only complimenting her, right? Not to mention that BTW came off an incredibly successful album and campaign while ARTPOP came after a campaign a lot of people were turned off by.


    But lol, let's ignore facts.

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  179. She writes lyrics, she creates melodies, she co-produces...


    She is an artist. Fact.

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  180. What exactly is this "reality check"? I'd love to have the kind of reality check she's getting. That'd mean millions in my pocket.

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  181. In that case you don't have to apologize for the others.. I don't feel 'attacked" nor do I mind . I just think it's funny seeing as I am the most ardent Gaga critic here to be the focus of other gaga critics..

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  182. LOL it came as a surprise because I could swear I have seen people stan for many artists. Who knew only Gaga fans thought up the buying of more than one album or the viewing of a youtube more than ones.

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  183. Ok, I'll give you that, Prism was discounted before Artpop (but it was released before too) should have checked that. In fact, I shouldn't have added a second paragraph to my comment, the first one was enough.
    But I was successful in proving you Artpop wasn't discounted during the holidays. It was a lie, and you knew it.

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  184. Actually a lot IS being done for her.
    And I find her too derivative to be called a ''creator".
    Which is why though strictly speaking she can be called an artist, I do not consider her one if it is defined by "one who creates art",

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  185. -So you agree with me, Artpop has zero art in it. In fact, you disagree with Primo Uomo Assoluto, who somehow found art in it...
    -I bring up BTW to highlight the fact sales plummeted from one album to another. Analogy is a rhetorical device, sorry if you didn't know it.
    -Why were people turned off by that Artpop campaign? Because it didn't meet their expectations?

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  186. Yes I call myself thus ...on this blog. But I don't care to become a semi professional Gaga critic thanks. Don't care enough about Gaga and have too many other likes and dislikes I enjoy arguing for and against.

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  187. It's incorrect because the motivation of the buyer is irrelevant to the salesnumber and therefor whether something commercially is a flop. But also there is no actual data on such motivation or who bought multiple albums.

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  188. She does have a lot of collaborators and help to execute the ideas, yes, but she's also responsible for a large amount of output. Taking the time to write out your own music and plan the concepts for your videos and performances isn't a joke if you consider how insane her schedule is. For her to take on that initiative while many of her peers don't tells me that she must at least be passionate about it, and see some value beyond the $$.


    As for her being "derivative" I think it's fair to say that her work isn't groundbreaking or new, but it's not a total copy-paste job either.

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  189. Except that in the case at hand, Gaga encouraged these things.

    -She tweeted a link to a playlist built with NINE HOURS of Applause video on loop (who can handle nine hours of Lady Gaga anyway?) to get like 9000 (not sure about this number but it's something like that) views at one time. By the way, she got called out on that by Bill Werde, her #1 fan.
    She also invited her 30% of real followers to "refresh those spins" while watching Applause lyric video. So yeah, fuck your Youtube's anti-spam algorithm.

    -She launched a contest with the Applause single : buying as much Applause copies as possible, make screen caps (yup, you read that right, she wanted to see the receipts) send them to her and the most "creative" fans could "have the chance" to see her or something.
    I didn't know creative meant DEEP-POCKETED anyway.

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  190. Primo Uomo Assoluto10 January 2014 at 20:25

    Sure, because Madonna invented the concept of men wearing high heels, right?

    As far as Kazaky goes, they have stated they are inspired by and admire Lady Gaga - Not Madonna.

    And as far as examples of Madonna's plagiarism goes, here:

    http://www.listal.com/list/lady-gaga-did-not-steal

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  191. Primo Uomo Assoluto10 January 2014 at 20:26

    Are you upset that she grew up wealthy and privileged and you didn't? Perhaps it comes down to that...

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  192. It may impress you deeply that she "takes the time" to what is supposed to be her job but I am afraid I am unimpressed.
    Writing music and "planning video concepts" are btw activities which largely take place in the mind.
    I am not sure what you imagine this woman does all day but I am pretty sure unless she is touring, she has plenty of free time on her hands.

    And no, these activities do not necessarily signal artistic motivation. They are just as needed if one is motivated by fame and fortune.

    Now I know of a singer who besides having a child, putting in constant research for songs, making albums, videos for those albums and touring also manages to do loads of guest and goodwill gigs. Who has sang or played on more than at least dozens of other people's albums.

    I know of a musician who aside from writing, producing, being responsible for the music production and hosting of a tv show in another country, making solo albums, recording and touring as a band member and performing with his own band also managed to play on near 2000 (yes that's two thousand) albums of other artists.

    I know another singer who is almost constantly touring and in between touring and recording and random gigs and producing and acting and running a successful company also managed to write over 3000 songs. Original songs some of which are classics, many of which were covered by other artists.

    Excuse me when I am unimpressed when a pop star "takes the time" to write some derivative tunes and "plan concepts".

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  193. Primo Uomo Assoluto10 January 2014 at 20:28

    If you think those songs sound alike you must be seriously tone deaf.

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  194. Primo Uomo Assoluto10 January 2014 at 20:30

    Madonna has a history of ripping off a multitude of people, a history of more than 20 years. Gaga does not. That's the difference.

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  195. LOL That must that "hectic schedule" she so graciously takes time away from to "write songs and plan concepts". ;-)

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  196. Primo Uomo Assoluto10 January 2014 at 20:36

    Check her VMA or GMA performances of "Applause" where she dances and changes her outfit throughout the song while keeping her vocals solid.
    And Lady Gaga is listed as main producer in the credits of many of her songs, that means she probably arranged and played some instrument in the song besides singing.

    Call me when any of your faves could even begin to:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IagbW9pZo1M

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O3cgmAST14

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  197. Primo Uomo Assoluto10 January 2014 at 20:38

    You're still mad I called you out on that ridiculous thing you said?

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  198. http://pheonixwright.free.fr/PhoenixWright/site/PW/images/AnimPW1/41.gif



    When did I say Madonna invented the concept of men in high heels? I just proved you Madonna didn't rip off Lady Gaga. Nothing more.


    Furthermore, you seem to know nothing about law.
    Plagiarism, or intellectual property theft, is an offence. You're guilty of an offence ONLY if you have been formally proven guilty. Otherwise, the presumption of innocence principle is applied.


    So, most of these images are NOT FORMAL PLAGIARISMS. Why all those artists didn't file lawsuits?

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